I’m originally from the UK but I’m now in Canada and I hover around some groups of people from the UK online and in person and I swear the Brits are the most whiny people to ever move anywhere. These people genuinely move to places and expect it to be exactly like the UK and when it’s not they shit on the country. Idk if it’s some leftover colonial mindset or something that hasn’t been removed from their psyche?
I’ve heard people complain that there’s no British cream (like the standard whipping cream which exists but is called something different) in stores, British bread, British seasonings, very specific type of curry called the brimingham balti which I don’t think I’ve seen outside of northern England. Amongst many other things and it’s absolutely mind blowing
Genuinely makes me embarassed to be in anyway related to these people. Anyone else get absolutely sick of your old countries people?
im turkish, from istanbul. dont even communicate with european turks if I can avoid it :)
wayyyyy more bigoted and religious than people I used to engage with when I was in IST
Their origins are in Anatolia, usually. Really backward and poor in the 1960s when their forefathers came to Europe. Now holding European citizenship for the most part they worship Erdogan - his best voting results are in places like Germany’s Rhur area or Berlin.
Something I am genuinely curious about. Would you mind to share your opinion? I cannot understand or read Turkish so cannot check firsthand.
I heard Erdoğan gets even better election scores from the Turkish community living abroad than at home. Yet his political and social views are said to be rather conservative and thus often different than the general opinions in the countries where these Turkish people live.
This seems at odds with what I saw living abroad, my fellow countrymen abroad very much voted for the most moderate candidates. The far left and far right, or the socially conservatives did not get large scores at any election.
Why does he enjoy such popularity do you think? What makes him so successful with that population?
As a German friend told me about German-turkish voters: Social Democracy at home, autocracy in Turkey.
It’s the same with a lot of American Irish, they’re WAY more Republican (not American Republican) than most Irish people I know.
that’s interesting. I’ve heard of immigrants clinging to their religion and customs and therefore becoming more conservative than their peers in the country of origin, but the kids born in the new country tend to adopt ways of life and customs of their country of birth. fascinating to hear that’s not really the case for Turkish people in Europe.
turkish people are still on the best side of the spectrum as none have committed any atrocities etc, they just dont adapt/adopt, act as permanent outsiders
second gen MENA migrants however are notorious for being flagbearers for acts like terrorism, organised crime, drugs etc. things usually calm down with the third gen. lot of research on the subject.
uhhhhhh what?
examples comrade?
edit: turkish immigrants* lol we have committed our fair share of atrocities
Ah gotcha, that makes much more sense . . . .
And the third generation often swings back to idealizing the old country as it was in their grandparent’s stories, especially if they see that their parents couldn’t really assimilate despite trying to.
Yeah it’s really weird. You see this in other groups in other countries too. I’ve heard from my colleagues from India living in the US say that Indian Americans can be even more conservative than the average person in India.
The kids are usually more radical and conservative. If you look at European radical religious terrorist attacks from the last 20 years they’re mainly from European born terrorists.
It’s probably because the parents know what life was like in Pakistan / Iran / Iraq etc and know what religious extremism causes.
That’s fascinating. I live in the US and we don’t have this phenomenon here. I wonder why Europe is dealing with it. Could it be due to the kids facing racism in school due to European countries having bad social integration of immigrants?
Given the amount of districts where they are the majority, I really doubt that plays a part.
It’s because you have a self-selection filter by distance. The only Turkish or Middle eastern immigrants that can make it to the US are the ones who have means in their own country, so they’re already more likely to be educated. Whereas a majority of the original Turkish immigrants in Europe were the lowest possible-educated because they were taken in as guest workers for manual labor, and had to be as cheap as possible. This also meant they were the most conservative people possible, and that has created knock-on effects.
That’s what my Turkish friend here in the US told me. He hates European Turks.
Now, what still makes me scratch my head are the Latinos, because they have that proximity to the US that the turks have to Europe, but I don’t see that same sentiment among young Latinos in the US. They embrace their identity as Latino Americans, and they’re all grateful to have the privilege of being US citizens.
Mexicans have western, European roots and heritage and tend to have the same religion as the majority of people in the US. This causes less visceral causes for friction beyond the first generation. A Latin person born in the US, speaking English natively without a foreign accent, is much more assimilated than the second or third generations of many migrants to Europe whose traditions conflict more with the dominant culture. Especially, islam as a religion is more conservative than the constitution and cultures of West European democracies, which are also much less religious than North America to begin with.
A lot of Latinos are Catholics and you have to remember that the Southwest was annexed by US from Mexico so there have been Latinos living in Southwestern states like Texas or Arizona since the middle or late 19th century. The culture is deeply ingrained there so it’s pretty easy for new Latinos/Latinas arriving in the US to settle. Not to mention Puerto Ricans (who are born US citizens) are spread all over the US and have been for a very long time, since PR became US territory
They could be outlines, but Boston marathon (2013) bombers are American born terrorist.
adoption of local culture is easier for children of wealthier immigrants such as skilled immigrants. For economic migrants and refugees, however, it’s often the other way around: while the parents at least feel grateful for improving their lives compared to their country of origin, children of poor migrants often feel marginalised and adopt a rebellious posture against the country where they live. This is not surprising considered that many of them will grow in poor, “ghetto” neighbourhoods where in school all children are in similar situation.