You’re living overseas and enjoying life in a new country but then something happens in that country that changes everything. Not talking about war, but maybe a public debate, a new politician on the scene, a recession, or an election. Something that flipped how you see your new home. For better or worse.

For me, living in Malaysia all was going smoothly. An amazing country. But when COVID hit, non-Malaysians really became a target. You had vaccines prioritised for Malaysians and the government using the pandemic as an excuse to round up illegal migrants to deport them. Instilling more fear at a time of fear.

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    1 year ago

    How is that relevant? If you think that the taxes that your parents have paid have covered 100% of your mother’s birthing ward, parents’ paternity leave, your healthcare as a child, all the steps of your education, etc etc, you’re living in la-la-land.

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      1 year ago

      How is that relevant?

      Because that’s how it works and why citizenship by blood is the default in most countries.

      If you think that the taxes that your parents have paid have covered 100% of your mother’s birthing ward, parents’ paternity leave, your healthcare as a child, all the steps of your education, etc etc, you’re living in la-la-land.

      No, I live in a society. Part of it is that we take care of each other, no single person is expected to 100% pay for themselves, but everyone is expected to contribute based on their situation. It’s an agreement we’ve made long ago that extends to everyone our society is responsible for, regardless of their economic status. Just because you don’t like the agreements made by your society, doesn’t mean you are entitled to ours. Especially if you haven’t done your part to contribute. Once you have, you are often welcome to join in and benefit from it. If you choose not to, that’s also your right.

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        1 year ago

        Your argument is “expats’ taxes do not contribute to society enough because natives have been paying taxes all their lives”. I’m saying that it is irrelevant, because expats have also not received a huge chunk of the benefits that natives receive. How your platitudes about living in a society are supposed to answer to that is beyond me.

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          1 year ago

          I’m saying that it is irrelevant, because expats have also not received a huge chunk of the benefits that natives receive.

          And the start of the argument was where they are entitled to that “huge chink of benefits” before they have contributed what the society expects them to. OP was complaining that they pay taxes, but aren’t benefitting to the same extent as the natives. What you are saying is not a countetargument to my point, it’s a different phrasing.

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            1 year ago

            Working immigration is, generally speaking, wanted because these people contribute to the society more than they cost it. And expats are entitled to those benefits simply because if you want people to take a gamble of moving to your country, you have to offer them something in return. You keep twisting it into some sort of moral argument when it’s not.